Mobilecat:
I live on a steep hill, and have a drive that slopes down from the
hill. When the snow first hit I thought I would be fine. I know from
the last two years that she drives and handles beautifully on the
snow and the ice so I wasn't worried. But I was wrong.
My first
problem was on Tuesday. After driving back down my drive, I compressed
the ice and got stuck for 4 days until someone was able to help dig
me out as the thaw started.
Now I
hit my second bad one. I have been using her last week no problem
and over the weekend my whole estate got iced over. I left her on
the road like a good girl last night, to avoid the previous problem
of being stuck again as it's about -5 here today. Problem - side door
frozen shut, plus all of my windows, except the back one were thick
with ice inside and out and I had no chance. Even if I had my 12v
heater (which I lent to a friend last week and get back later this
morning) I don't think I would have had a chance. So once again -
I am reliant on a friend for the school run.
I need
you to send me some calming and warming thoughts please
Ron
Miel: Please don't start sticking pins in an effigy of me, peeps
- but I'm really finding out now just what the remote start which
came with our Bongo is all about. I am leaving my heaters and rear
de-mister set when I park up at home, at the moment. To defrost thoroughly,
I can then just point the remote out of a (closed) window indoors,
and watch the Bongo get all toastie for us before we have to go anywhere
near it. In the camping season, the remote start is brilliant for
AFT up/AFT down engine runs, without having to clamber round to the
front - especially if the wind has got up in the night, and the roof
needs to come down quickly. Has anybody fitted an aftermarket remote
start system, which I think you can get? Worthwhile piece of kit,
if you can.
Munroman:
It's been cold up here in Central Scotland, and I have been using
the Bongo every day, sometimes to get out hill walking, sometimes
to do 'Dad's Taxi' stuff, sometimes to get shopping, and it has been
great, yesterday it carried 6 of us and gear up and down a 3 mile
ice rutted track without a whimper.
At my
age, I have seen theses sorts of temperatures before, I have ridden
motorcycles across ice, seen the 'Grand Match' in curling where over
2000 people were on the Lake of Menteith, burned a child to keep warm,
that sort of thing - (just kidding about the child thing, honest!)

Here
are some simple tips that have worked for me. Don't skimp on screen
washer liquid, make sure it's of the proper strength, it's better
too strong than too weak. If you have 'strengthened' the mixture,
use the front and rear washers to ensure that the stronger fluid is
all the way up to the nozzles. (I have been down to -14 with mine
and it has worked so far)
Lift
the wiper blades and give the edges a little wipe, and don't think
you can scrape ice with them, the ice always wins! Door seals, etc,
a little glycerine, or even a rub of candle wax can help them stop
sticking. If you do a lot of short journeys, the Bongo never really
gets a good drying out, I found I was getting a lot of condensation,
I suspect that the rear exit vents were perhaps iced closed, so I
ran with the side windows popped open and this cleared things.
If you
get a chance to make a long journey, take it, because it give the
Bongo a chance to get warm and for things to dry out. If it gets really
cold, I have used a fan heater running for a while to thaw out the
windows, on one car there was a 3" band of thick ice inside where
the condensation wasn't getting blasted by the hot air vents, the
fan heater enabled me to get rid of that, (keep a side window cracked
open to help ventilate it.)
Keep
wiping the lights and number plates, it is amazing what crud builds
up on them, but a clean rear lens might help someone see your brake
lights a fraction earlier and avoid a bump.
Finally,
please try and get any snow and ice off your roof before setting off,
unlike the Skoda on the A9 today with about 2 ft of snow just ready
to either fall onto his windscreen, or fly off and hit the car following,
another minute would have got rid of that hazard.
These
are not conditions many people have seen for a long time or perhaps
ever, but with some simple changes of habit it is possible to carry
on safely enjoying the Bongo in all weathers.
Bigdaddycain:
I actually HAD to use my 4WD bongo this morning as the guy from Asda
phoned to say they wouldn't be delivering our shopping today because
of the weather conditions, so the missus insisted I went to get some
tide-over provisions.

I couldn't
believe just how well the Bongo coped! I must admit I didn't expect
much from it to be honest... I'm on very low profile sports tyres
(small sidewall, minimum flex, less grip) And they were still inflated
to 45PSI!
So it
was with much trepidation that I set off on the admittedly small mile
and a half trip to my local Morrisons... It wasn't the Bongo's abilities
I had to worry about, it was rear wheel drive cars that was blocking
all the roads (again stuck up against the kerb). And vans.
Picture
this scenario: there is an increasingly steep gradient leading to
our Morrisons, the road is maybe half a mile long. This was ram-jammed
with stuck, or abandoned vehicles as far as the eye can see. At the
head of the queue was a jack-knifed articulated lorry blocking the
way. I sat at the end of the queue patiently waiting for enough room
(and grip) to become available to do a "U-Turn".
Then
some smarta** just HAD to do it didn't they??? Up came a silver BMW
X5 on the wrong side of the road with that "move out of the way
peasants! I'm a 4X4 with considerably more money than you" attitude...
and duly got stuck trying to get around the stricken lorry COMPLETELY
BLOCKING THE ROAD! Well... that was it... Like a bull to a red rag,
my bongo WAS gonna make it to that damn shop! SO off I went, past
ALL the stuck and abandoned cars, up behind the (by now sliding backwards
X5) up onto the kerb, then along the grass verge (with a banking into
a field), back down the kerb, past the stricken truck, with a quick
slip of the handbrake to make the 90 degree left hander into the entrance
to Morrisons, plenty of power on to keep the traction minimal at the
back, a bucket full of opposite lock, and the bongo straightened up
perfectly, on cue to glide straight into the virtually empty car park!
That bongo made me look like a stunt driver! All credit goes to the
vehicle, NOT my driving skills.
The trip
back out wasn't anywhere near as eventful... I'm sure I overheard
one of the stranded motorists say that an X5 driver had melted the
snow on the road with the steam that was coming out of his ears!
Dandywarhol:
Here's atip for driving in ice and snow if you have an automatic Bongo.
1st and HOLD will lock the 'box in first. 2 and HOLD locks the 'box
in second. 3 and HOLD starts the 'box in second and quickly shifts
to third and locks there until you come to a standstill and it repeats
itself.
Croylo:
Towing a horsebox from Fort william to Inverness yesterday with a
2.5 manual Bongo 4x4, about 2-3 inches of snow, no gritters, hit black
ice at Laggan, Bongo and horsebox spinning bumped verges a bit with
both Bongo and horsebox but finished up perfectly straight facing
the other way. Horsebox hitch is a bit bent but Bongo unscathed.

Went
on to travel along A82 twice more in the untreated snow, not pleasant
but as long as you never brake and control your speed with the gears,
quite manageable. Oh I have Kumo tyres by the way.
Harry:
The current cold snap has brought to mind my first ever bongo overheat
back in ancient history. It was the first severe frost following a
summer/autumn driving back and forth to Southern France from the Lake
District every couple of weeks. My anti freeze practically non existent
having frequently topped with water during a long hot holiday season.
What
happened? Sub zero early morning....drove about five hilly/fast miles
fully loaded before noticing steam/water vapour coming from under
bonnet. Pulled in immediately and decided to let things cool down
before removing coolant tank lid. Steam escaping under pressure from
coolant overflow vent. Checked hoses for leaks...no leaks but bottom
hose ICE COLD and RIGID.
Once
steam had subsided topped up tank with warm water from kettle. Didn't
know about bleeding in them days. Rechecked hoses and found bottom
hose was no longer cold and was now flexible.
Conclusion
(later confirmed by garage) was that the bottom hose had frozen solid
thus preventing circulation of coolant when the thermostat should
have opened as engine reached working temp. Bottom hose had thawed
out whilst we had stopped due to heat from engine.
Moral....make
sure that your anti freeze is up to strength and make sure it has
circulated throughout the system.

Travis:
Our other car is an Astra and other little ones in the road have been
driving up and down our icy road all day. I had to pick my daughter
up from town today my wife was out so I fired up the silver surfer.
I got him going and the first left turn I took he slid right across
the road and just missed a lamp post. I was able to reverse back and
slid into a safe parking spot up the street.
Is it
the front wheel drive, the automatic gears or is it me?
Going
to leave it parked up now
Harry:
From experience of driving my 2wd bongo in the ice last winter:
Make
sure that you get some weight in the back over the rear axle.
I used my bongo as a delivery van carrying up to half a ton of birdseed.
Fully loaded it was fine...empty it had no drive wheel grip at all.
Also
put it into one of the lower gears and try not to touch the brakes.
Scanner:
Crap tyres.............
I have
a 2WD Bongo and it doesn't do that but then it has some decent all-season
tyres fitted. As Ron Meil will confirm the difference is astounding.

Ron
Miel: just read right down this thread, intending to say what
scanner has said, when I got to the bottom - but he's already said
it. I've been out a lot on snow and ice, and some inclines, yesterday
and today, and the traction with the Quatrac 2's is very impressive
indeed (2wd).
I haven't
crawled around but, touch wood, I haven't yet lost drive traction
once, and the ABS has only activated very briefly, and still perfectly
steerably, a couple of times. Although, if you accelerate or decelerate
(including transversely in cornering) clumsily, nothing will save
you on ice, if your control is good and the tyre tread is still working
at low temperature (which is what Quatrac 2's are about), ice driving
is perfectly possible. The limits are just much lower with summer
tyres on ice.
I have
always found it best, with automatics, to avoid all possibility of
unforeseen/uncontrolled engine driven effects on slow speed icy turns.
I'm finding exactly the same with the Bongo - get down to the safe
speed (if there is one!) for the turn in plenty of time beforehand
(if it's icy just bleed off the momentum without braking), shift into
neutral while you are actually turning, and just use very gentle progressive
steering inputs to get you round. With a manual, you can achieve the
same effect by declutching. Otherwise, the engine is still driving
the rear wheels as you turn, and the effect of that is both unpredictable
and outside your control. If you get it right, the engine isn't working
against you. If you don't get it right, then skid recovery afterwards
is purely down to your steering skill, without that unpredictable
element making it more difficult.
Mikeonb4c:
I've found moving off in 'L' reduces chances of slipping while pulling
away, and then careful deceleration moving through 'S' and 'L', finally
with HOLD when in 'L', works really well for slowing right down on
snow and ice. I hardly use the brakes.