Front fog light switch problem.
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Front fog light switch problem.
Hi ? I could use some fog light advice.
I found that Ring rectangular fog lights fit the recess in the bumper pretty much perfectly. I just had to make a couple of simple w shaped brackets to attach them to the bumper screw mouldings. Not bad for ?13.90 for the pair I think, from my local car accessory shop.
The problem I have is that at some point in the van?s life someone has chopped through the wiring that goes to the existing front fog switch on the dash, and reused some of it for a rear fog light rocker switch.
There are 2 wires that have been separately insulated and are unused, one is red and the other red with a black tracer. Could someone advise me are these the wires to drive the front fog relay? I assume that the other wires were to power the front fog light switch illumination, which has been reused for the rear fog light switch. These are one black wire and another red wire with a black tracer. Hope this makes sense to someone.
Also where does the front fog light wiring appear in the engine bay? I found a 2 pin connector just in front of the left hand battery tray that looks a likely bet. I will check this out when I?ve got the switch working.
Thanks.
I found that Ring rectangular fog lights fit the recess in the bumper pretty much perfectly. I just had to make a couple of simple w shaped brackets to attach them to the bumper screw mouldings. Not bad for ?13.90 for the pair I think, from my local car accessory shop.
The problem I have is that at some point in the van?s life someone has chopped through the wiring that goes to the existing front fog switch on the dash, and reused some of it for a rear fog light rocker switch.
There are 2 wires that have been separately insulated and are unused, one is red and the other red with a black tracer. Could someone advise me are these the wires to drive the front fog relay? I assume that the other wires were to power the front fog light switch illumination, which has been reused for the rear fog light switch. These are one black wire and another red wire with a black tracer. Hope this makes sense to someone.
Also where does the front fog light wiring appear in the engine bay? I found a 2 pin connector just in front of the left hand battery tray that looks a likely bet. I will check this out when I?ve got the switch working.
Thanks.
All Black 1997 Ford Freda 2.5 diesel
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Fog lights are Roadrunner RL023
Picture here http://www.motormania.co.uk/product_det ... Ring&Code=
I checked under the headlights and infact all inside the bumper and found nothing. Where exactly should the wiring be? I am wondering if these have been chopped off as well!
I have ordered the wiring CD to see if I can sort it.
Thanks again.
Picture here http://www.motormania.co.uk/product_det ... Ring&Code=
I checked under the headlights and infact all inside the bumper and found nothing. Where exactly should the wiring be? I am wondering if these have been chopped off as well!
I have ordered the wiring CD to see if I can sort it.
Thanks again.
All Black 1997 Ford Freda 2.5 diesel
Neat lamps . Thanks for the info Hope Ian takes note of this for the 'members' section .
I noticed that some poor soul paid EBAY ?80 for a pair of Bongo lamps from a breaker last month.
Checked on the 'Ring' website and they also do a pair of Roadrunner halogen driving lamps at the same price The code is RL 022
Hope you get usefull advice on the wiring problem - electrics are not my strength
I noticed that some poor soul paid EBAY ?80 for a pair of Bongo lamps from a breaker last month.
Checked on the 'Ring' website and they also do a pair of Roadrunner halogen driving lamps at the same price The code is RL 022
Hope you get usefull advice on the wiring problem - electrics are not my strength
Last edited by vanvliet on Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I am playing with a foglight install at the moment as well.
Regarding the two pin connector in front of the battery tray, the red & black trace wire goes live when you put a fuse in the 'Fog' socket of the main under bonnet fuse box so must be the power supply for a relay. the other 'red' wire seems to be a feed from the fog switch wiring.
BTW , I have also found my rear fog is tapped into the switch illumination wiring- not convinced this is a good idea or up to the job esp. as it goes back to the sidelight fuse, I might be wrong but I'm converting it to a relay as well.
Regarding the two pin connector in front of the battery tray, the red & black trace wire goes live when you put a fuse in the 'Fog' socket of the main under bonnet fuse box so must be the power supply for a relay. the other 'red' wire seems to be a feed from the fog switch wiring.
BTW , I have also found my rear fog is tapped into the switch illumination wiring- not convinced this is a good idea or up to the job esp. as it goes back to the sidelight fuse, I might be wrong but I'm converting it to a relay as well.
Hi and thanks for the reply, glad to know that I am not suffering alone.
Just going through the wiring CD at the moment, it arrived today thanks Ian.
There is a detailed wiring diagram on the CD for the front fog lights and i'm just trying to work my way through it. The wire colours are shown in english, and my assumption regarding the switch seems correct. It also shows the wiring loom, and indeed the fog light connectors should be under the headlights - but they are not there on mine! The fog light relay should be across on the right hand side of the engine bay, but it's too dark to check now.
I will post again when I have sorted it.
Just going through the wiring CD at the moment, it arrived today thanks Ian.
There is a detailed wiring diagram on the CD for the front fog lights and i'm just trying to work my way through it. The wire colours are shown in english, and my assumption regarding the switch seems correct. It also shows the wiring loom, and indeed the fog light connectors should be under the headlights - but they are not there on mine! The fog light relay should be across on the right hand side of the engine bay, but it's too dark to check now.
I will post again when I have sorted it.
All Black 1997 Ford Freda 2.5 diesel
For those that are interested, my front fogs are working now, I would have replied sonner but just had an unexpected stay in Hospital.
I went over every square inch of the engine bay, and could not find any trace of existing fog lamp wiring or relay. I can only assume that the circuit diagrams show the highest level of equipment that is possible, and my humble van isn?t in this category.
So I fitted my own relay in the engine bay, and fog lamp wiring.
I routed the right fog lamp wiring across the existing loom at the top of the radiator and down to the lamp. If you take the air intake cowl assembly off (2 fixings) it makes access much easier.
I then routed a new wire (to drive the relay coil) through from the fog lamp switch to the relay. The feed to the fog switch is the existing red/black wire which goes live with the lighting circuit.
I used the red/blue wire at the unused connector in front of the left battery tray. This is fed directly from the Fog 15A fuse. Spent most of a day doing this, but at least it?s all working now.
As a foot note - I could not make sense of the existing red wire which goes to the fog lamp switch and apparently is the 2nd wire at the unused connector. According to the diagram it goes into, and out of the ECU. The existing red wire did not go live under any circumstances no matter what I tried, lights / ignition combination?
I went over every square inch of the engine bay, and could not find any trace of existing fog lamp wiring or relay. I can only assume that the circuit diagrams show the highest level of equipment that is possible, and my humble van isn?t in this category.
So I fitted my own relay in the engine bay, and fog lamp wiring.
I routed the right fog lamp wiring across the existing loom at the top of the radiator and down to the lamp. If you take the air intake cowl assembly off (2 fixings) it makes access much easier.
I then routed a new wire (to drive the relay coil) through from the fog lamp switch to the relay. The feed to the fog switch is the existing red/black wire which goes live with the lighting circuit.
I used the red/blue wire at the unused connector in front of the left battery tray. This is fed directly from the Fog 15A fuse. Spent most of a day doing this, but at least it?s all working now.
As a foot note - I could not make sense of the existing red wire which goes to the fog lamp switch and apparently is the 2nd wire at the unused connector. According to the diagram it goes into, and out of the ECU. The existing red wire did not go live under any circumstances no matter what I tried, lights / ignition combination?
All Black 1997 Ford Freda 2.5 diesel
Hi Chris, I've also got our fog lights working now but I won't go into details as you have already described a carbon copy of my own method
(even if you did it first??).
But I also wasted half a day trying to get the switch to work on that pesky red wire. A red wire def. leaves the switch block, and a red wire certainly appears in the connector in front of the battery - it should be something to do with the fogs ,it's in the same connector as the live supply from the fuse box. But I also couldn't get any tie up between the two, no secondary relay via dipped headlights, nothing. Finally decided it must be an unlikely broken wire, but your experience shows it is something more devious than that.
Does anybody know the answer to this riddle? I was just happy that my fogs work, but now it's doing my head in again
(even if you did it first??).
But I also wasted half a day trying to get the switch to work on that pesky red wire. A red wire def. leaves the switch block, and a red wire certainly appears in the connector in front of the battery - it should be something to do with the fogs ,it's in the same connector as the live supply from the fuse box. But I also couldn't get any tie up between the two, no secondary relay via dipped headlights, nothing. Finally decided it must be an unlikely broken wire, but your experience shows it is something more devious than that.
Does anybody know the answer to this riddle? I was just happy that my fogs work, but now it's doing my head in again