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Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:56 pm
by Driver+Passengers
I pulled out of a parking space up Glencoe, and wellied it across the road to slot into traffic.

I was turning the steering wheel pretty hard at the time and really booted it, and it felt as if for a brief second the steering went really heavy, almost as if it stuck. I remember this because I cr@pped myself thinking that if it had been any worse, I'd have dropped off the verge on the other side! It was a real night/day moment - it suddenly went heavy and just as suddenly recovered.

One of my mates said that there can be pressure relief valves on power steering but I'm not sure if I was actually at full lock or not.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:04 pm
by mikeonb4c
Driver+Passengers wrote:I pulled out of a parking space up Glencoe, and wellied it across the road to slot into traffic.

I was turning the steering wheel pretty hard at the time and really booted it, and it felt as if for a brief second the steering went really heavy, almost as if it stuck. I remember this because I cr@pped myself thinking that if it had been any worse, I'd have dropped off the verge on the other side! It was a real night/day moment - it suddenly went heavy and just as suddenly recovered.

One of my mates said that there can be pressure relief valves on power steering but I'm not sure if I was actually at full lock or not.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?
I recall reading of one (or was it two) power steering failures on here that sounded 'interesting' from the drivers point of view. I'm keeping a close eye on mine as there is a small amount of unexplained liquid on the kerb where I park (though others do too, so not sure its from my Bongo) and equating to it having dropped from the n/s front, behind the wheel arch. Probably nothing but I'll keep an eye on things as I reckon the p/s can get tired on these oldish Bongos.

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:53 pm
by Driver+Passengers
mikeonb4c wrote:I recall reading of one (or was it two) power steering failures on here that sounded 'interesting' from the drivers point of view.
I should have looked harder - http://www.igmaynard.co.uk/bongo/forum/ ... =3&t=17976
While fluid and possibly belt change may be advised, it seems that this 'one second' fault is uncommon, intermittent, and happens when steering is under load.

I'm probably just going to forget about it for a while... ;)

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:29 pm
by jaylee
Did this incident/glitch happen shortly after starting the vehicle??

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:38 pm
by Driver+Passengers
jaylee wrote:Did this incident/glitch happen shortly after starting the vehicle??
Yes. The whole thing was cold (other than a few minutes idling in order to get the roof down).

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:14 pm
by jaylee
I have to admit, i had a similar thing happen to me about four years ago... only i was backing out a long drive & on hard left hand lock turning in reverse onto the road on an incline on full lock (or near full.).. Only happened once, never got to the bottom of it, & since been through 3 MOT's with no steering issues... :? In fact no real issue at all!! Never happened since... Almost like the system briefly thought the ignition was off?? I dunno. :? :?

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:22 pm
by dext924
I presume you have already checked the power steering res? Mine when stiff a while ago, and I noticed the res was low. topped up and all was well :D

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:26 pm
by jaylee
dext924 wrote:I presume you have already checked the power steering res? Mine when stiff a while ago, and I noticed the res was low. topped up and all was well :D
In my case, (not knowing much about this sort of thing) it was the first place i looked...

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:05 pm
by Driver+Passengers
I believe it's full, though he/she's away to get a new starter so I can't pop out and check - from memory, I can just see the liquid topping out above the bottom of the filter.

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:37 pm
by Rhinoman
Possibly a loose/slipping belt, accelerating hard while cold will show up any problem there.

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:09 am
by Northern Bongolow
this sort of no steering usually follows when the steering has been put on full lock, or at least when the pressure relief valve in the pump has reacted to the high pressure in the system near to full lock, then removed quickly,the pressure relief valve sticks open until the pressure drops against it,(opposite lock applied) then steering is resumed. the changes of flow through the rotary valve is usually enough to sort things out.
but crud in the system, or valve, old oil, will slow this reaction time.

another reason this could happen is when the revs are low and a lot of lock is applied. the vanes of the pump are designed to slide in groves to contact the inner wall of the pump,if the oil is old or dirty,or the vanes are worn, this will impact on efficiency when a lot is asked of the system.

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:12 pm
by bigdaddycain
Driver+Passengers wrote:I pulled out of a parking space up Glencoe, and wellied it across the road to slot into traffic.

I was turning the steering wheel pretty hard at the time and really booted it, and it felt as if for a brief second the steering went really heavy, almost as if it stuck. I remember this because I cr@pped myself thinking that if it had been any worse, I'd have dropped off the verge on the other side! It was a real night/day moment - it suddenly went heavy and just as suddenly recovered.

One of my mates said that there can be pressure relief valves on power steering but I'm not sure if I was actually at full lock or not.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?
I've experienced this with my bongo VERY occasionally! On the odd occasion i've span the wheel whilst stationary very quickly... Like the power steering pump couldn't keep up :shock: It's happened maybe half a dozen times over seven years of ownership... I suppose the fluid could use a change now it's 16 years old. :shock:

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:53 pm
by teenmal
Driver+Passengers wrote:I pulled out of a parking space up Glencoe, and wellied it across the road to slot into traffic.

I was turning the steering wheel pretty hard at the time and really booted it, and it felt as if for a brief second the steering went really heavy, almost as if it stuck. I remember this because I cr@pped myself thinking that if it had been any worse, I'd have dropped off the verge on the other side! It was a real night/day moment - it suddenly went heavy and just as suddenly recovered.

One of my mates said that there can be pressure relief valves on power steering but I'm not sure if I was actually at full lock or not.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?
Hi,
It would be worth checking and lubricating the 2 universal joints on the Steering Shaft.

Cheers.

Re: Heavy steering when pulling away (HARD)!

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:07 pm
by bigdaddycain
That's a very good point... i know i've never done mine :shock: