Bongo Fury

Hi, first time poster, hopefully not my last. Bit of background first. Bought my Bongo Friendee V6, '96 SG5W, in late 2009. It ran great for the first year, some great times camping, and running around in it. My only vehicle, and a sheer pleasure to drive.
Problems started during the very cold spell in December last year. Lay for a week till I dug her out of the snow. Since then real difficulty getting her started in the morning. Sometimes 3, 4, or 5 attempts to start. Usually started though RAC called out once or twice. Once she got going she was fine all day. Took her in to my local garage who have been excellent over the last ten years with my previous cars but they couldn't find the fault. Suggested maybe fuel pump. Two months ago, still having same problem but she began cutting out. Back into the garage again, still couldn't find fault. 7 weeks ago she died while out on a run. Back into the garage where she's been ever since. The garage admit that they're in the dark as to fault finding because she's an import and they don't have access to the diagnostics software.
I tracked down a chap in Methil, Fife who came through (I'm Edinburgh) and plugged in his laptop. He came up with fault code P1345, which was thought to relate to the cam sensor. The garage contacted Allan's Vehicle Services who said that the V6 didn't have a cam sensor, but the fault code would probably relate to the crank shaft sensor. Is this correct, or does my bongo have a cam sensor! I checked on line and that fault code states- No CMP or SGC signal, CMP standing for Cam position sensor circuit fault. Anyway the crankshaft sensor arrived today and was fitted and guess what. She started up first time, but cut out again just outside the garage on a test run. Back to square one. The garage have given up on her, and I'm at my wits end. This last six months has not been a great experience. I love my bongo and don't want to see her heading off to the scrappy. If anyone has any advice or can be of assistance I would appreciate it immensely. The chap at the garage did say today that it could possibly be a ECU fault, but again they lack the expertise to test or repair it. Is anyone aware of anyone in the Edinburgh area or elsewhere that can test ECUs. Or can say if there's a cam sensor fitted on my bongo. Exasperated and desperate. Colin.

For ultra technical queries like this one, it's often a good idea to get Dmitri and his colleagues in the Russian Bongo owners club to look at it. The Russians have lots of V6 Bongos. Unfortunately he is en route to Bulgaria at the moment, but I suspect he will be online via a dongle. I will email him and draw his attention to your problem. I will also run your post through a translation engine to make it easier for him.

Привет, первый постер время, надеюсь, не последний. Немного общей информации. Купили мои Bongo Friendee V6, 96 SG5W, в конце 2009 года. Это бежало большое за первый год, некоторые большие кемпинг раз, и работает в нем. Мое единственное транспортное средство, и истинное удовольствие ездить.
Проблемы начались во время очень похолодание в декабре прошлого года. Положите в течение недели, пока я выкопал ее из снега. С тех пор реальные трудности с получением ее началась в первой половине дня. Иногда 3, 4 или 5 попыток, чтобы начать. Обычно начала хотя RAC крикнул один или два раза. Однажды она получила движение она прекрасно весь день. Взял ее в свой местный гараж, которые были отличные за последние десять лет с моей предыдущей машины, но они не могли найти неисправность. Предлагаемые может быть, топливного насоса. Два месяца назад, все еще имея же проблемой, но она начала резки. Вернуться в гараж снова, все еще не мог придраться. 7 недель назад она умерла, когда на счете. Назад в гараж, где она была до сих пор. Гараж признать, что они находятся в неведении относительно того, поиск неисправностей, потому что она импорта и они не имеют доступа к программному обеспечению диагностики.
Я разыскал главу в Метил, Файф которые прошли (я Эдинбург) и подключить свой ноутбук. Он придумал код неисправности P1345, который, как думали связаны с датчика камеры. Гараж связался Аллана автомобиля Услуги который сказал, что V6 не было датчика камеры, но код ошибки, вероятно, связаны с кривошипно датчик вала. Правильно ли это, или же мой бонго есть датчик камеры! Я проверил на линии и, что код ошибки государств-нет CMP или SGC сигнал, CMP баллотироваться на должность Cam замыкания на датчик. Во всяком случае датчик коленчатого вала прибыл сегодня и была установлена ​​и что вы думаете. Она запускается первый раз, но вырезать снова рядом гараж на испытания. Вернуться на круги своя. Гараж отказались от нее, и я в моем конце остроумия. Это последние шесть месяцев не было большого опыта. Я люблю свою бонго и не хотят видеть ее отправиться в лоскутной. Если у кого есть какие-либо рекомендации или может оказать помощь Буду признателен безмерно. Глава в гараже сделал сегодня сказать, что это могло бы быть ЭКЮ вине, но опять-таки им не хватает опыта для проверки или ремонта. Кто-нибудь знает кого-либо в районе Эдинбурга или в другом месте, что может проверить ECU. Или можно сказать, если есть датчик камеры установлены на моем бонго. Разозленный и в отчаянии. Колин.

As far as i'm aware cam sensor is on the distributer, need to take it off i reckons and check it out, if you are near to a fellow v6 owner i would be asking them if i could swop the dizzy over to see if that cures it but that is just me! I am no expert but i wouldn't condem the ecu till all other possabilities are explored first, 1345 fault code suggests cam position sensor problem. Id be looking at the dizzy if it we3re me.


Dar

I think I'd be looking at dizzy, rotor arm & leads, seem to have been an issue for a few & apparantly in a bit of a vulnerable position for water ingress if the electrics aren't sealed properly if I remember right? I'm sure a few more V6ers with hands on experience will be along soon.

an't help but I am watching this one with interest

Hi, thanks for the replies. So does my V6 have a cam sensor contrary to what I was told? If someone could confirm as the fault code suggests, that my V6 or maybe all V6s have a cam sensor then that seems like my next move, to try changing the cam sensor, as possibly I should have done in the first place?
Colin.

[quote="missfixit70"]I think I'd be looking at dizzy, rotor arm & leads, seem to have been an issue for a few & apparantly in a bit of a vulnerable position for water ingress if the electrics aren't sealed properly if I remember right? I'm sure a few more V6ers with hands on experience will be along soon.[/quote

My best guess missy would be it is deeper than just a cap, rotor arm or lead, i would be trying to borrow a whole distributer to see if that helps and checking the connections . Theres plenty of them around now to see if one could be borrowed. On the other hand could it be the main relay beginning to fail that could give that sympton me reckons, But i am a tight arse, maybe i should just keep my mouth shut like i usually do so i don't get shot down in flames , my first initail thought would av been crank sensor aswell to be fair if it hadn't have been on a diagnostics and given that code, demonav will have the answer i reckon when he picks this one up.


Dar

friedoutbongo wrote:Hi, thanks for the replies. So does my V6 have a cam sensor contrary to what I was told? If someone could confirm as the fault code suggests, that my V6 or maybe all V6s have a cam sensor then that seems like my next move, to try changing the cam sensor, as possibly I should have done in the first place?
Colin.

I think that would mean a whole new distributer at big bucks so i would do some more diagnostics first, but i am no expert infact just a diy'er . but i have had an intimate affair with my engine of late I would also like to add that i am not dissing that there is a possability it doesn't have a cam sensor as allans says He is the oracle where bongo's are concerned


Dar

cheffy34 wrote:

missfixit70 wrote:I think I'd be looking at dizzy, rotor arm & leads, seem to have been an issue for a few & apparantly in a bit of a vulnerable position for water ingress if the electrics aren't sealed properly if I remember right? I'm sure a few more V6ers with hands on experience will be along soon.

My best guess missy would be it is deeper than just a cap, rotor arm or lead, i would be trying to borrow a whole distributer to see if that helps and checking the connections . Theres plenty of them around now to see if one could be borrowed. On the other hand could it be the main relay beginning to fail that could give that sympton me reckons, But i am a tight arse, maybe i should just keep my mouth shut like i usually do so i don't get shot down in flames , my first initail thought would av been crank sensor aswell to be fair if it hadn't have been on a diagnostics and given that code, demonav will have the answer i reckon when he picks this one up.


Dar

I didn't say cap, said dizzy, ie distributor

P1345 code denotes a sensor fault OR a fault emulating a sensor fault. The crank and cam are sensed for correct timing but it can also be a mechanical fault at the distributer ( which is cam driven)

Some bumf here

http://freeautomechanic.blogspot.com/20 ... p1345.html

missfixit70 wrote:

cheffy34 wrote:

missfixit70 wrote:I think I'd be looking at dizzy, rotor arm & leads, seem to have been an issue for a few & apparantly in a bit of a vulnerable position for water ingress if the electrics aren't sealed properly if I remember right? I'm sure a few more V6ers with hands on experience will be along soon.

My best guess missy would be it is deeper than just a cap, rotor arm or lead, i would be trying to borrow a whole distributer to see if that helps and checking the connections . Theres plenty of them around now to see if one could be borrowed. On the other hand could it be the main relay beginning to fail that could give that sympton me reckons, But i am a tight arse, maybe i should just keep my mouth shut like i usually do so i don't get shot down in flames , my first initail thought would av been crank sensor aswell to be fair if it hadn't have been on a diagnostics and given that code, demonav will have the answer i reckon when he picks this one up.


Dar

I didn't say cap, said dizzy, ie distributor

Ya see always put my foot in it go on shoot me down now before i self destruct


Dar

Had similar problems with my V6 November 09 when it rained for about two months non stop. Only started in the morning on dry days Once started it would then restart fine for the rest of the day.

This was traced to a dizzy problem. The dizzy cap has a carbon finger, which wears down with age. Mine had worn almost away to a point where the spark could jump only in dry weather, or once the heat of the engine had dried everything out. The cure was a new dizzy cap £48. The problem was diagnosing it.

The problem onset suddenly. One day perfect starting. Next electrical fireworks. I complicated the situation by adding an Aldi radio which managed to drain both batteries overnight, starter and leisure despite a Willinton kit.

So I was putting the thing on charge overnight and it still not starting, because of the rain or non starts in dry weather due to the battery drain.

I never had any cutting out, once started it stayed going, but mine was diagnosed and fixed in about three weeks, rather than getting worse for months.

It took a Bongo expert, Fred at Discount Trucks to identify the problem. The fixing it was the easy part. One dizzy cap, set of plugs and the Aldi radio in the bin.

Hi, thanks again for the advice. Still thinking I'll order a new cam sensor and try that. A neighbour has a V6, but not sure if they'd be keen on me ripping bits out of they're engine. Hi 'Dandywarhol', met you last year on a beautiful day on a beach in Harris, I'm Audrey's neighbour. Anyway, just having a quick look before I set off for work, I'll check back tonight.
Colin

Ian wrote:Привет, первый постер время, надеюсь, не последний. Немного общей информации. Купили мои Bongo Friendee V6, 96 SG5W, в конце 2009 года. Это бежало большое за первый год, некоторые большие кемпинг раз, и работает в нем. Мое единственное транспортное средство, и истинное удовольствие ездить.
Проблемы начались во время очень похолодание в декабре прошлого года. Положите в течение недели, пока я выкопал ее из снега. С тех пор реальные трудности с получением ее началась в первой половине дня. Иногда 3, 4 или 5 попыток, чтобы начать. Обычно начала хотя RAC крикнул один или два раза. Однажды она получила движение она прекрасно весь день. Взял ее в свой местный гараж, которые были отличные за последние десять лет с моей предыдущей машины, но они не могли найти неисправность. Предлагаемые может быть, топливного насоса. Два месяца назад, все еще имея же проблемой, но она начала резки. Вернуться в гараж снова, все еще не мог придраться. 7 недель назад она умерла, когда на счете. Назад в гараж, где она была до сих пор. Гараж признать, что они находятся в неведении относительно того, поиск неисправностей, потому что она импорта и они не имеют доступа к программному обеспечению диагностики.
Я разыскал главу в Метил, Файф которые прошли (я Эдинбург) и подключить свой ноутбук. Он придумал код неисправности P1345, который, как думали связаны с датчика камеры. Гараж связался Аллана автомобиля Услуги который сказал, что V6 не было датчика камеры, но код ошибки, вероятно, связаны с кривошипно датчик вала. Правильно ли это, или же мой бонго есть датчик камеры! Я проверил на линии и, что код ошибки государств-нет CMP или SGC сигнал, CMP баллотироваться на должность Cam замыкания на датчик. Во всяком случае датчик коленчатого вала прибыл сегодня и была установлена ​​и что вы думаете. Она запускается первый раз, но вырезать снова рядом гараж на испытания. Вернуться на круги своя. Гараж отказались от нее, и я в моем конце остроумия. Это последние шесть месяцев не было большого опыта. Я люблю свою бонго и не хотят видеть ее отправиться в лоскутной. Если у кого есть какие-либо рекомендации или может оказать помощь Буду признателен безмерно. Глава в гараже сделал сегодня сказать, что это могло бы быть ЭКЮ вине, но опять-таки им не хватает опыта для проверки или ремонта. Кто-нибудь знает кого-либо в районе Эдинбурга или в другом месте, что может проверить ECU. Или можно сказать, если есть датчик камеры установлены на моем бонго. Разозленный и в отчаянии. Колин.

Ian...I was under the impression that this is the way you normally speak after a few bottles of wine....

Sorry off topic I know but couldn't resist....

DemonAV was watching this topic earlier....so watch this space....

Alan