V6 starter motor?

[mountainchris]

Hello once again!

Hope you can help as I have searched on the forums but can't find an answer to my issue?

It would appear that my starter might need fixing/replacing; hearing clicks when trying to start the Ford Freda and it is only starting when I jump it off the leisure battery. First very simple question is where on earth is the starter located? It isn't under the drivers seat like the diesel version... had a look on lushprojects and that doesn't show where it actually is, just the strip down of the starter itself?

Second is can you fix it like you can with the diesel one, putting in new contacts (I have seen the youtube video); as I can't seem to find anywhere that sells the repair bits- is it the same starter as the diesel?

Any help would once again be much appreciated from the Bongo Fury collective...

[g8dhe]

It seems to have a different but very similar part no. to the diesel the V6 is JE2718400D whilst the Diesel is WL0118400(A)
its located here but its not the best picture agreed http://www.lushprojects.com/bongopartsm ... mgno=.html

[mountainchris]

It seems to have a different but very similar part no. to the diesel the V6 is JE2718400D whilst the Diesel is WL0118400(A)
its located here but its not the best picture agreed http://www.lushprojects.com/bongopartsm ... mgno=.html

Thanks for the part number, that might help when trying to source a repair kit... and that is the picture I found but doesn't actually show where the starter is located?! I suspect it is going to be somewhere fairly inaccessible as I can't spot it easily! Anyone own a V6 and knows where I can find it?

[cheffy34]

In the bell housing driverside(between engine/gearbox), you can't miss it

[mountainchris]

In the bell housing driverside(between engine/gearbox), you can't miss it

cheers... afraid I can miss it and have! which bit is the 'bell housing'? Is it easily accessible from under the drivers seat?

[haydn callow]

You say it starts when you "jump it" from your starter battery.......this suggests to me that a new starter battery might cure the problem. I would get the battery "drop tested" any battery depot or decent garage should be able to do that for you....FOC

[mountainchris]

You say it starts when you "jump it" from your starter battery.......this suggests to me that a new starter battery might cure the problem. I would get the battery "drop tested" any battery depot or decent garage should be able to do that for you....FOC

...yes I can jump it from the leisure battery and it starts alright, the starter battery is actually fairly new which is why I thought the starter could be the issue, classic ticking noise from the starter but not turning over?? suppose I could have a duff new battery?

[lpgimports]

find the starter, not at work so can't pop under and have a look very likely it is a denso one and these are known for clicking as the contacts and plunger wear out.
http://www.repairkitsuk.com are great for repair kits.

But as Haydn says have the battery checked first could be a duff one even though its new, has been known.

Paul

[cheffy34]

In the bell housing driverside(between engine/gearbox), you can't miss it

cheers... afraid I can miss it and have! which bit is the 'bell housing'? Is it easily accessible from under the drivers seat?

Nope on your back under the driverside i'm affraid


or it may be a duff alternator causing a duff battery and not enough charge to crank the engine just enough to click a relay just a thought seens it a new battery

[mountainchris]

find the starter, not at work so can't pop under and have a look very likely it is a denso one and these are known for clicking as the contacts and plunger wear out.
http://www.repairkitsuk.com are great for repair kits.

But as Haydn says have the battery checked first could be a duff one even though its new, has been known.

Paul

Cheers Paul, will get the battery tested tomorrow as first (cheap) option... had contacted the bloke that owns repairkituk earlier and he was struggling to find out what type of starter is in a V6, gave him the part number that was mentioned earlier by g8dhe and he reckons it might be a Mitsubishi job? Need to take a photo of it and find out whether it has any numbers on it, which I should hopefully now be able to do thanks to cheffy, assuming it is not completely inaccessible!

Thanks for everyones help, very much appreciated. Will let you know the outcome... could help someone else in future.

[mountainchris]

or it may be a duff alternator causing a duff battery and not enough charge to crank the engine just enough to click a relay just a thought seens it a new battery

...if it was a duff alternator then surely my leisure battery would also not be getting charged?

[cheffy34]

You are very possibly right on the leisure battery, get a multimeter on all of it see whats going on, interesting about the mitsi starter, iv'e found alot of parts on mine with mitsi stamps on them if i remember rightly there is a plate on the side or end of it with the part numbers and all that on it, but i can't remember really


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[mountainchris]

You are very possibly right on the leisure battery, get a multimeter on all of it see whats going on, interesting about the mitsi starter, iv'e found alot of parts on mine with mitsi stamps on them if i remember rightly there is a plate on the side or end of it with the part numbers and all that on it, but i can't remember really


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yep apparently there is an id plate on the starter and now I know where it is I can go find it and see if it matches up with the Mitsubishi parts...

[mountainchris]

Ok so to update this issue... seems the starter is fine but starter battery drains overnight so there must be a 'leak' in the electrical system somewhere; to narrow it down a bit if I remove the 'Main' fuse relay (its yellow code: JE16 Denso 056700-8780) then put it back in the following morning the bongo starts fine...



(Hope this cut and paste pic works from another thread!)

So question is, could the relay be goosed, as reading some pages on here it can sometimes occur with the V6 and conversions (and if so how can I tell) or alternatively which circuits does this relay supply so I can start to eliminate the 'leak'?

[g8dhe]

That relay feeds rather a lot of circuits and it is controlled by the ECU.

On the diagram above you have the Main relay on the left and the 6 injector solenoids along the top, from the other feeds 36, 57 & 58, other solenoids and circuits are also fed.
It sounds like perhaps the relay is not fully releasing when the ECU presumably (don't have the circuit of the ECU/PCM) senses that the Ignition is turned off and hence current is being drawn, or possibly there is a partial earth on the connector 1A on the ECU, if you have a meter it might be worth watching that wire and see if it rises to a full 12 volts when the Ignition is switched off, that should release the relay.