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Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by MaxBasher » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:06 am

My 2.5 TD 4WD Bongo seemed to over heat last night :(
Well as it's a diesel, I'm told it actually pressurised - it spat water out of the header tank anyway and once I stopped took all the water form the header tank into the rad. It also seemed to make a squeak when it was hot.

I let it cool down, added more water then drove the remaining 5 minutes to get home, but it did it again (over heated, cained all the water) in this short journey.

The excess water seems to be at the bottom right hand side of the Rad as you look at it, although I can't tell if that's from the water that came out of the header tank, or the rad/a hose.

I've arranged for it to be collect on Saturday but with the bank holiday weekend, it's likely to be a week before I see / use it again. So was wondering if anyone could shed any light on this so I could perhaps get the ball rolling a bit quicker!
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by MaxBasher » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:32 am

I should perhaps add that the Bongo had a full service less than 2 months ago, it also had a new head gasket seal added as I was getting an oil leak and I put a new stat in while all this was being done. I've done over 500 miles in it since all this.

Just reading other threads now on over heating but not seeing anything too specific, is there a general common problem that causes the over heating?
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by Driver+Passengers » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:59 am

MaxBasher wrote:I should perhaps add that the Bongo had a full service less than 2 months ago, it also had a new head gasket seal added as I was getting an oil leak and I put a new stat in while all this was being done. I've done over 500 miles in it since all this.

Just reading other threads now on over heating but not seeing anything too specific, is there a general common problem that causes the over heating?
A loss of coolant flow will cause overheating. This is typically cause by a blockage, where that blockage can either be crud or air. Crud/sludge can be caused by mixing incompatible coolants, whereas an airlock occurs when air introduced into the system settles, commonly in either the cylinder head or the front heater matrix.

If you opened your coolant header tank and it was empty, then it is likely that air will have been drawn into the hoses and may a cause. Whenever water is added to top-up after the header tank has emptied, then the system will need to be bled. See the youtube videos for a demonstration of one method.

Air can also be introduced if there is a leaky water pump seal, hose joint, cracked radiator or a pinhole in a hose. The mechanism by which this occurs is that coolant is lost under pressure (leaks out) and when the system cools, the pressure drops below atmospheric pressure (vacuum, if you like), and sucks air in via that failure point, rather than via the negative pressure valve in the header tank cap.

You should find a lot by searching, and taking a look in the member's only section of the website.

Best not to drive it again until sorted. You might be well advised to take it up with the garage that serviced it 2 months ago, rather than to fiddle or have someone fiddle.

Look into a low coolant alarm and temperature sensors/alarms, too.

Hope some of this helps.
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by MaxBasher » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:14 am

Thanks for the info Matt, have been searching and reading but don't really know what to look for other than overheating, this is much more specific, thanks :)

The temp guage first rocketted up to Hot when on a dual carriage way doing 70, I slowed down to 50 and temp dropped. When I pulled over, there was coolant in the head tank, although it was on Low - as the engine cooled, it sucked the remaining coolant out of the head tank until it was empty.

From what you say sounds like an air leak, the garage that serviced it before is the one collecting tomorrow/sat, thankfully. Perhaps I'll leave it with them to sort, so glad we haven't arrnage to go away in it over the bank hol weekend, still gonna miss it though.

From what I've read, very glad I got a hire car this morning rather than trying to nurse it to and from work today [-X
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by mikeonb4c » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:53 pm

MaxBasher wrote:Thanks for the info Matt, have been searching and reading but don't really know what to look for other than overheating, this is much more specific, thanks :)

The temp guage first rocketted up to Hot when on a dual carriage way doing 70, I slowed down to 50 and temp dropped. When I pulled over, there was coolant in the head tank, although it was on Low - as the engine cooled, it sucked the remaining coolant out of the head tank until it was empty.

From what you say sounds like an air leak, the garage that serviced it before is the one collecting tomorrow/sat, thankfully. Perhaps I'll leave it with them to sort, so glad we haven't arrnage to go away in it over the bank hol weekend, still gonna miss it though.

From what I've read, very glad I got a hire car this morning rather than trying to nurse it to and from work today [-X
  • Was your coolant a clear colour or did it look a bit rusty coloured?
  • Any bulging hoses or signs of rust staining around the metal pipe sections in the system?
  • I assume it was bled properly (and showed the right signs like bottom hose only warming after idling for a period during the bleed process)? The sucking action suggests (to me) that there was air in the system and that it contracted on cooling and pulled coolant in to replace the lost volume. The question then is how did it get there (pinhole leaks can, we are told, pull air into the system as it cools, as well as letting/pushing coolant out when engine is at running temp and pressurised - though the fine spray may evaporate against a hot engine before it can fall to ground)
It was the rocker cover gasket that was changed and not the head gasket I assume?

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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by MaxBasher » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:35 pm

Hi Mike

Coolant was clear fortunately
No bulging hoses or signs of rust staining

Re the bleeding, I mentioned there were videos for this but was told they they don't actually empty it as they had a machine that basically flushed it through and kept the pressure in it without actually emptying - there was probably a more technical explanation than that.

For the gasket - I got the head gasket set from AV leisure and they fitted everything in this along with a new head bolts and belt.

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I have done a few trips in the Bongo since having this work done, including a 500 mile round trip to Cornwall and a couple of trips to the south coast. Would incorrect bleeding after the work last time would have shown up before with these miles under my belt?
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by MaxBasher » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:16 pm

So the mechanic picked my Bongo up at the weekend and after an initial inspection they aren't seeing any leaks leaving them to assume the head has cracked or the head gasket has gone - having replaced the HG seals recently, a cracked head seems to be most likely suspect!

Does that sound right? Any recommendations on where to get a new head from?

Starting to seriously regret buying this Bongo now - I can see why the garage I bought it from would only give a 3 month warranty :roll:
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by MaxBasher » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:38 pm

Another thought - should I be questioning the garage why this has happened within 2 months of them having the head off to replace the seals, seems a bit of a co-incidence to me although I've never had reason to doubt their skills before but working on a Bongo to this extent is relatively new experience to them!
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by mikeonb4c » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:06 pm

MaxBasher wrote:Another thought - should I be questioning the garage why this has happened within 2 months of them having the head off to replace the seals, seems a bit of a co-incidence to me although I've never had reason to doubt their skills before but working on a Bongo to this extent is relatively new experience to them!
Sorry I didn't come sooner, bf didn't show this thread having new posts.

Yes I think I would ask them. In a situation like this they should know, as Bongo specialists, that the head should be tested for cracks. Also, the block and head need to be cleaned and flagged, to ensure a good mate and seal.
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Re: Overheating / header tank pressurised on diesel

Post by MaxBasher » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:46 pm

Thanks Mike, they'd said they will look for visible cracks and failing that send it off for testing so it's reassuring to know they are on the case.

Been reading up on here about the heads this afternoon, saw someone mention a price of around £550 for a new one with all the right bits. Does that sound about right?
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