£38 paint kit, is there enough for this ?

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:10 pm

In between coats.. some nice pro viewing.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dXZOMHsx_k

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:15 pm

This chap is going on thick ! Maybe I am not putting enough on. Seem in the US they call lacquer "Clear Coat".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGePa8SZaE

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:33 pm

1k lacquer looks just as naff when sprayed a bit thicker (not sure if 1K lacquer varies greatly? I think Mike said the Halfords was not impressive so who knows). No running but it just does not give a nice even coat of shine.....more a matt kind of layer build up. As I mentioned I am hoping to rectify when the rubbing compound and wax job gets done.

Not to be negative though it has gone very well thus far, just one insect landed and I removed it with almost no problem with a pin.

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:47 pm

There are so many types.. my advice is that if you do not go the 2K (2 pack high quality option) to at least go for something that is not the cheapest.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_nos ... ay+lacquer

Endless types of lacquer. If not opting for 2K I would suggest going for a decent quality one like this Hycote that suggests some UV resilience and not at the bottom of the pricing bracket. I used the primer and thought it was good, it came up very silky.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HYCOTE-XUK428-C ... ay+lacquer

helen&tony · Post by **helen&tony** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:55 am

Hi
You haven't got an approximate location on your profile, or we may be able to point you in the right direction of a local paint factor. A good paint factor will make/ fill paint aerosols to a reasonable colour match . You leave your petrol filler flap, they analyse the paint shade , then carefully match it according to fading , until it's as near as it can be. They are usually pretty helpful in most places I've ever been to, and are almost always worth listening to if you chat when they're not busy....I've had a great deal of help since I first experimented with painting in the early / mid '60s, and it was all cellulose...great paint!...but a lot of practice needed, but many of the modern paints are tougher. Regarding the American term "Clear Coat"...it's real meaning is the final coat after lacquering , but it's often used to cover all the lacquer process. The final "clear coat" is usually the one applied after the first few coats have dried and been flatted, then the final coat is flowed on carefully , fairly thin and wet, so that it's virtually flat before polishing....anyway, that's how they do it in Custom Paint shops. Rather than 2-pack, I prefer custom acrylic paint, as you can get a fair bit of lee-way, and a good deep finish, but it isn't as tough as 2-pack, and not as UV resistant unless you get a UV resist acrylic needed in southern U.S. and the like...In England , there isn't the same degree of UV. I get locally made paint here from a guy I've been using for a few years...not too bad, and pretty cheap... but he gets the good paint imported from Germany, and he keeps a log-book of every paint made for every customer , and every mix in a series of books dating back years! Still learning some local tips last year

Cheers
Helen

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:53 am

helen&tony wrote:Hi
You haven't got an approximate location on your profile, or we may be able to point you in the right direction of a local paint factor. A good paint factor will make/ fill paint aerosols to a reasonable colour match . You leave your petrol filler flap, they analyse the paint shade , then carefully match it according to fading , until it's as near as it can be. They are usually pretty helpful in most places I've ever been to, and are almost always worth listening to if you chat when they're not busy....I've had a great deal of help since I first experimented with painting in the early / mid '60s, and it was all cellulose...great paint!...but a lot of practice needed, but many of the modern paints are tougher. Regarding the American term "Clear Coat"...it's real meaning is the final coat after lacquering , but it's often used to cover all the lacquer process. The final "clear coat" is usually the one applied after the first few coats have dried and been flatted, then the final coat is flowed on carefully , fairly thin and wet, so that it's virtually flat before polishing....anyway, that's how they do it in Custom Paint shops. Rather than 2-pack, I prefer custom acrylic paint, as you can get a fair bit of lee-way, and a good deep finish, but it isn't as tough as 2-pack, and not as UV resistant unless you get a UV resist acrylic needed in southern U.S. and the like...In England , there isn't the same degree of UV. I get locally made paint here from a guy I've been using for a few years...not too bad, and pretty cheap... but he gets the good paint imported from Germany, and he keeps a log-book of every paint made for every customer , and every mix in a series of books dating back years! Still learning some local tips last year
Cheers
Helen

The colour match is the least of my concerns (Bongo shop was spot on) it is the matt finish from the low quality gloss lacquer that is the issue.

They are calling clear coat lacquer here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clear-1-UV-Re ... 4add4d387d

All of this is about as clear as gloss lacquer that turns out matt.

One thing certain is do not use cheap lacquer (and that probably includes the can that is provided with any "kits") as it IS the finish.

helen&tony · Post by **helen&tony** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:13 pm

Hi
Is that the stuff that you say gives a matte finish?
Cheers
Helen

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:52 pm

helen&tony wrote:Hi
Is that the stuff that you say gives a matte finish?
Cheers
Helen

No the lacquer I am using is another one. I won't be using it again or any £4-£5 cheap lacquer for that matter. Spend on that last layer is my advice and you may fair better. I will try that Hycote Bodyshop lacquer if/when I don't use the 2K/pack.

This stuff.. a suggestion not a recommendation, it might not be glossy either but I think it could be better given it is not dirt cheap and it is a "premium" range from Hycote (and I thought their basic primer was very good). I just hope others can benefit from my experiences here. It is all a bit of gamble with lacquer I think. Pays your money...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HYCOTE-XUK428-C ... ay+lacquer

Helen&Tony I am fairly sure "Clear Coat" is just lacquer really whenever I search for it. No expert just going on what comes up.

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:23 pm

Just another option....2K lacquer, reasonable price for 400mL, unknown quality but just something that caught my eye, the developing trend being you probably get what you pay for:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HB-Body-Profe ... 19d77cd21b

My blend out spray is made by the same company, made in Greece.

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:21 am

Farecla G3 seems good (very unmemorable brand name unless it is Spanish but says made in UK on pack), not a miracle cure for low quality lacquer but has certainly took the roughness/coarse matt top off the surface of the bonnet today. No idea how much you are meant to use but I used at least 2 hand fulls going over it twice. Quite labour intensive ! Now smoother to the touch

I will wax this evening/and then again in 1 week.

I am happy with the result overall. Let's see how long it lasts. Leaving the top bit for a week till it hardens properly.

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:44 pm

Just word about the Halfords Car Polish. Hard to get off once dry (which it is meant to do)... nothing special, might endure as per the AutoExpress suggestion but I will stick with Wilkinsons FastWax I think. The Halfords was a nightmare to get off, way to much elbow grease required.

No way would I use that on the main body. You would be there a week getting it off.

Post by **Simon Jones** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:01 pm

I've used Autoglym Super Resin polish for many years as I used to work for a car dealership as a Saturday job when I was a lad and it was what their valeters preferred. Probably more high tech nano polymer whatsit stuff around these days, but the Autoglym stuff polishes off a treat with minimal elbow grease required.

Post by **Bongoplod** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:05 pm

Simon Jones wrote:I've used Autoglym Super Resin polish for many years as I used to work for a car dealership as a Saturday job when I was a lad and it was what their valeters preferred. Probably more high tech nano polymer whatsit stuff around these days, but the Autoglym stuff polishes off a treat with minimal elbow grease required.

Ill second the autoglym products,used them for years,excellent products and not mega priced

Brian

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:41 am

Sounds like good stuff I think I saw the white packs in Halford when checking them out.

BongoBongo123 · Post by **BongoBongo123** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:06 am

10 cans of "Hycote Body shop" lacquer coming. Got them for a decent price, I think this should be decent quality. I cannot afford the 2K (pack) for the roof it is a big area and it will cost a bomb and much lacquer advertised does not seem to be the real Mccoy. So I think as I liked the Hicote primer their premium lacquer should be ok...

"The new Hycote Bodyshop range has been specially designed for the professional and semi professional. If you need that extra for your project Hycote Bodyshop is just for you:
Acrylic formula
High gloss finish
Non – yellowing
Adjustable fan spray nozzle for different spray patterns
UV resistant
65% additional coverage
Available in a 400ml pack size"

http://www.hycote.co.uk/

I think this should be an ok compromise.

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